We’re 12 steps into this and we now should be ready to get a game published. We should have a game that has been playtested and tweaked dozens of times. We should be happy with where we’re at with the game and have played it a few times in a row without anyone wanting any changes in the game.
Now comes the big question: should we self-publish or submit it to a game publisher? There are four differences between them:
With Self-Publishing you have full creative control. If you want something changed, then you can get it changed depending on how much money and time you’re willing to invest.
If a Publisher is making your game then they have full creative control. If they like your game about camping, but think it would be better if it was about camels caravanning in the desert then you’ll have to change it (this is a true story of what happened with Reiner Knizia’s Through the Desert – a great game btw!).
If you Self-Publish, be prepared to invest a lot of your own money. Depending on how big of a print run you want to do will be a factor in how much you will need (anywhere from $5000-$50,000). If you want to do a super small print run then you have to be prepared to either make a lot less per game or even lose money per game – as was the case in the first print run of Trivial Pursuit. This strategy has paid off for the makers of Trivial Pursuit of course – and for others as well (Alan Moon’s Spiel de Jahres winner, Elfenland had an initial print run of about 100!) – but you just have to be prepared for that kind of cost! If you can afford a bigger print run then a big benefit you get is ALL the profits! Of course you might want to use a distributor who will eat into those profits, but you still get all those profits.
If a Publisher is making your game then you need to invest none of your money (except all the money you’ve spent on tools, resources, entry fees for competitions, travelling to conventions, pizza for your playtesters etc…). They take all the risk, and as you can imagine – they take most of the profits. As a designer you are left with anywhere from 1%-10% of Distributor Cost (Publisher sells the game to a Distributor, Distributor sells to a Retailer, Retailer sells to a customer).
An example: If a game is sold in retail for about $40, then the retailer might have bought it from the distributor for about $20. The Distributor might have bought it from the publisher for $10. A designer might get 5% of this – or $0.50 for each game sold. As you can see, it’s hard to get rich as a board game designer. Hopefully we’re making games because we love making games though!
A Publisher is going to have contacts and relationships within the industry for artists and production. If you decided to self-publish then you’d need to find an artist and figure out where to get it made. This expertise can be invaluable. For us, we lucked out with Tasty Minstrel Games as they have hired two of the best artists in the board game community with Josh Cappel and Gavan Brown. Not only that but they have learned a lot in their short history about production companies and have formed a relationship with Panda – the best place to get a game made. Finally they have a tight relationship with PSI – the Distributors. Not only are our games going to be distributed by PSI, but they have already played our game, Train of Thought and mentioned that they think it would be a good game to get into Barnes and Noble. We wouldn’t have been able to get a contact like that if we Self-Published.
If you Self-Publish you have an advantage of spending as much time as you can to get your game to market as soon as possible. The downside is that takes a lot of your time. A heck of a lot. I was talking to the designers of Redneck Life and they mentioned that by Self-Publishing they now spend up to 80% of their time marketing their game instead of spending time on designing other board games. So if that’s something that interests you, then go for it!
The challenge with a Publisher making your game is that they take forever. From the moment they say they’re interested to it hitting the store shelves will be at least two years. The game has to go through their development team, where they playtest it even more and make tweaks (hopefully with the designer!). Then they hire an artist, and send it to China (probably) to get produced. They get it shipped back to America and get it to the distributors. Then they do the marketing, which includes going to conventions, ads and in store promos. That’s a lot of time.
So taking all these things into consideration, Sen and I decided that we preferred to have a Publisher make our game. We were ok with the smaller profit potential because we weren’t in it for the money, and we would rather spend more of our time on making new games!
So for your game, what are you thinking about doing? Self-publishing or sending it to a publisher?
The only other items I can add to Jay’s excellent post are:
The other part of the continuum when paired with “TIME” (see above), space, like it’s partner, is a limitation we all have to deal with. Neither Jay nor I have the space to safely store 1000 boxes of Belfort and 1000 more of Train of Thought, in a climate controlled/hermetically sealed enviroment. When you are your own publisher, you need to store your product and make sure the mice and water don’t get at your stock. When you have a publisher, they are responsible for all the mundane, yet vitally important things like safe storage of the game.
Many, Many Hands
In the case of games that are pretty much ready to go, you may not want or need much more input. But for some of the more complex games, like Belfort, we had the assistance of a great guy named Seth Jaffee to take it from a 10 to a 10.5! Seth is the developer for Tasty Minstrel. His job is to take a game that may have some minor rough spots and buff them out. He’s like Victor – he’s a cleaner.
Having a publisher usually means more eyes on the little details, more eyes on proofing, more people helping the project move along accordingly. So while we gave up some creative control and had to come to consensus on a few items, we are more than happy with the final products of our union with Seth and Tasty Minstrel Games. Both Train of Thought and Belfort are shaping up as games we are super proud of. Without the input of the publisher, both games would have been slightly different and, in my opinion, slighty worse if we had taken the self-publishing route.
In our case, working with the publisher and developer has been a dream. We’ve heard others tell different tales regarding other publishers. In the end, it’s all about communication and making effective use of collaborative tools to get the job done.
So, from the perspective of Jay and myself, where it’s incredibly difficult to co-ordinate even ourselves due to the geographic distances we have to travel to actually meet face-to-face let alone everything that self-publishing entails, you can see why we have reservations regarding publishing one of our games ourselves.
This doesn’t mean that it’ll never happen – many times (especially after a rejection letter), Jay and I often muse about publishing a game on our own. But then we go over the laundry list of reasons why we shouldn’t and we give ourselves a big old face palm for even thinking of doing something silly like that. But I can see a time in the future where we may want to go that way if we are both in a position to be able to meet the huge demands of self-publication.
For now though, we’re more than happy with our publishers – we’re estatic!
Re the ‘$$$’ section:
It’s possible to make some sorts of games much more cheaply. For example model wargame rules seem to often be designed for people who already have the models and scenery, so the ‘game’ is just a rulebook.
There’s also thegamecrafter.com, which probably wouldn’t be a substitute for a proper print run, but could work as an initial option to see if there was any interest in the game at all.
Yep – absolutely James! Sen and I have never ventured into those kind of games – or RPGs – but you’re correct: that’s a cheaper way to get published!
The reason I mentioned those kinds of options is that designers often seem to want a big budget, FFG-style game, and be reluctant to abandon that, when maybe the high cost of production could be a spur to creativity – could that board be done with cards instead? Could those 500 event cards be a printed random table? And so on.
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Thanks! That’s a lot of good info on them thar blogs!
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Giving up creative control would be really hard for me, but it really does seem like going to a publisher is the better route.
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Hey guys! I am reading these in sequential order. Did you think about Kickstarter and using a fulfillment service? That can mitigate the costs to you, and gives you an audience.
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I too was wondering how kickstarter factored into this. It seems to me that you could use kickstarter to raise the funds, use PANDA to create the games and ship to USA, and then use a logistics company and/or distributor to house and send the game out.
I’m sure there would be A LOT of time, effort, and money to effectively promote the game so that the kickstarter would be successful. But what are your thoughts on this idea? What are the problems that we don’t know about kickstarter?
It sounds easy on paper, but wow is that a lot of work! Running a Kickstarter successfully takes so much time and effort. You have to be available all the time. Most people have said that you need to take time off work in order to run a successful campaign. The biggest thing is that we’re not interested in running a company. That would entail learning about customs, tariffs, shipping (which has a dozen or so subpoints), manufacturing (another dozen subpoints), marketing and distribution. It’s not as easy as just choosing someone to do each of these things for you.
Sen and I both have ‘real’ jobs so the amount of time needed to publish our own game is astronomical to us! That said, we really enjoy designing games – that’s where we’re the happiest. So we would rather design games and let the publisher publish the game. Finally – publishers add a lot of value to games. Not only do they develop your game further – ensuring it’s the best that it can be, but they have all the contacts in the business, they are already partnered with distributors, they already have a brand that (hopefully) people trust, they will be at conventions selling the game!
I heard one designer who published their own game – just one – that they now spend 800-90% of their time marketing and selling their game and only 10-20% of their time designing new games. Yikes!
While Sen and I would love to make this our full time jobs, we both actually have jobs that we like, so it would take a massive hit for us to leave our jobs! We’d love for it to happen because designing full time is a dream!
I hope that answers your question!!
I think your right using a publisher is the best way to go for me – could recommend any
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Kind of – I’d recommend going to a board game store (or even http://www.boardgamegeek.com) and looking at games that you think fit with your game. Then search them out online and see if they accept submissions. Or go to a convention! 🙂 There are 1000s of publishers out there.